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whitewitchy
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Topic: Oxygen SuppliersPosted: 29-July-2010 at 12:35am |
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I was just wondering what problems (if any) other people have had with their oxygen suppliers. I have had problems since I started, from trying to get the right nasal cannula to being delivered the requested cylinders. I dont want to bang on about my problems but I would like to know what others feel on the topic.
So I thought perhaps we should be talking about any problems so that they can be taken seriously and resolved. Also as oxygen supply contracts from the nhs are being discussed as they are up for renewal early next year shouldnt WE be involved more as we are the recipients of the oxygen service. Our vioce should matter more than those who dont actually know what its like to have to use oxygen.
This sounds like I am being a rebel and I am not a rebel BUT I do think that we should not have to put up with things just so we dont get treated bad by the company if we do speak out.
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karen
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Posted: 29-July-2010 at 9:17am |
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Hi Stella well I have been using oxygen now for at least 20 years, I first started off with cylinders but when my little girl was growing up they decided to give me concentrators because the cylinders were dangerous they said. I have two concentrators which are in my dining room. Air products provide these and service them. I have never had any real problems with the company, they are very good if they breakdown they come quiet quickly to repair them or renew them. About using oxygen i use canula's and always have done, i did use to use a mask if i was suffering from my sinus probs. I did use to get a dry nose alot because i am on 6 litres oxygen at night so they decided to give me a humidifier. I can not moan about oxygen its made me so much better. who is your provider and what problems are you having with the canula's are you putting it on right. ?
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jent
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Posted: 29-July-2010 at 9:29am |
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Hi,
Stephen has had an oxygen concentrator for some years now. When Air Products supplied and serviced them, they informed my electricity company of how much we had used and this was taken off our bill. This changed when they were supplied and serviced by another company. They now calculate how much electricity has been used and send us a cheque every three months.
However, the amount we now get back is much less than we were getting before, even though electricity prices have gone through the roof. I have tried calling them but they only say that the amount is calculated correctly. Has anyone else had this problem?
I think everyone should be pushing for concentrators. They are much easier to handle and I'm surprised that they are still being used. My mother has lung cancer and she has oxygen. She was given a concentrator from the start.
Jen
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Jack
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Posted: 29-July-2010 at 11:34am |
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Been on oxygen now for two and half years and have had no problems. BOC are the supplier in my area and they have always been great, serviced the concentrator on time and sent me the electricity refunds on time. No complaints at all.
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Magnolia
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Posted: 29-July-2010 at 6:21pm |
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Hi Stella,
I am in the South West and when our current oxy company took over, they changed from flat cannula to the bumpy round ones, which I do not really like, although my nose is slowly getting used to them. Have complained but have got nowhere. Think it is all to do with cost and buying in bulk and economies of scale and things like that.
I have a concentrator at home and use the round ones on that, but they are no use on my portable concentrator ........ need the flat ones. However, I have a very good friend in a flat cannula area and she has passed several over to me for future use.
As for having a say in the oxy supply contracts, unfortunately it is, again, all about money - the best tender, i.e. the cheapest, will win the day ... especially now that they are making cut backs right left and centre. As for the electricity refund, it does not seem to be anywhere near the amount it costs to run the concentrator .. think they might be using 1950 prices in their calculations. I have always received a cheque - it has never been taken off my bill and I have been on oxy since 2006.
These things do annoy me, but then I am also grateful that my oxy is supplied for free - some countries probably have to pay for theirs - e.g. US ?
Sue
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whitewitchy
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Posted: 29-July-2010 at 11:37pm |
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in my area Air Liquide are the suppliers and I was put on a consentrator and an emergency cylinder. I do have trouble with the nasal cannula because of the size of my nose and the adult ones have actually cut inside my nose once. They really didnt like me insisting that they found me something that would suit me, the child ones are a tiny bit small and the adult ones are way too big and they scratch and dig in when you try to cut them to size. I have now got in touch with a manufacterer who says that they will look into making one of an in-between size. I will not just put up with this because I am the one using it 24/7 and I dont see why anyone should just put up with or get used to anything when there is something that could be done.
after 5 months the hospital decided that I should have ambulatory oxygen and the doctor there was cross that no one had previously done anything about this. she seemed to think that someone from the oxygen company should have mentioned it. anyway the hospital resparitory nurse contacted me and ordered liquid oxygen for me, but 4 weeks later I got one cylinder and the delivery man said i looked strong enough to carry it myself when i asked about a trolley.
When i complained to the company that one cylinder was not enough and we had ordered liquid oxygen i was told there was a waiting list. i got one more cylinder the following week and i did complain that 2 and a half hours a week was simply not enough. the following week i got a carry bag which i could not use because i cant lift the weight. 2 weeks later i got a trolley and 6 cylinders. the week after I got another 6 and the driver told me about a conserver that would make each cylinder go from the 2 and half hours to about 7 hours. Why didnt they put this conserver on from the start. then 3 months after the original request for liquid oxygen I got a call saying they would bring it round the following week. I said about the waiting list and was told there was no waiting list and never had been. ??? and now we are having problems getting oxygen for me for holiday because apparently the company supplying my oxygen do not have a contract with the company in southern ireland so no supply for that country and yet if i wanted to go to any other member state country i would be able to be supplied. Naturally i am thinking conspiracy theory. Grr and I think i have enough to deal with without this hasstle. So looks like I may not be able to go on holiday with the rest of my family, we cant change destination becasue we have relatives in southern ireland who want to see me and I want to see them too.
Sorry I said i was not going to bore you with my problems but hey my fingers just typed it all while i was watching tv. lol
sO i wondered as everyone above are not with Air Liquide
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Posted: 30-July-2010 at 12:09am |
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Stella I cant seem to make out how you have a problem with the nasal canula's. Have you got the long or the short stem nasal ones ? mine are so soft . Stella also why dont you get on with a concentrator.? i think you need to talk to your ph centre maybe they can help you out. Or maybe Loz on here can give you more information. good luck and hope you get sorted soon,
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Posted: 30-July-2010 at 9:10am |
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Hi,
Im a newbie where oxygen is concerned. I managed to avoid it when I had PPH. But As some of you know I've had a pretty rough time since transplant. I'm supplied by Air flow, and they have been great. Ring up one day and suppies delivered next. Though after speaking to a very nice lady on the ward this week she had a very natty oxygen thingy, no bigger than a hand bag, though she said you can't get it on the nhs. She gave me the web sites and when home will look into it further. I've got what I think is a large nasel prong at the moment which is not the most comfortable of things. But at the end of the day it makes breathing much easier.
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Magnolia
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Posted: 30-July-2010 at 10:12am |
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Nicky,
I have one of those natty handbag portables (Freestyle) and it is fantastic. It has opened up my life: I can fly with it, I can go on holiday to Greece; I can travel wherever and not have to worry about ordering oxygen at my destination. I am on 16 hours LTOT. It is true that you do have to pay for it, but when I got mine airlines were still charging for oxy and I reckoned that, flying twice a year as I do, I would soon recoup the cost of airline oxy and also paying for it at my destination. May not quite have done that yet, but have gained in freedom massively. Would personally recommend Smile Rehab - they are brilliant and so supportive; they have a daughter with PH, so fully understand all the problems.
Sue
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Magnolia
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Posted: 30-July-2010 at 10:21am |
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Stella,
Sounds as if you have been through the mill - poor you; oxy cylinders are heavy, which is why I love my handbag. Sounds as if you need to sort out your respiratory nurse or doctor as they are the ones who determine what oxy, if any, you should receive. The Oxy company (and I have AL too) follow the Home Oxygen Order Form (known as HOOF, which is in effect a prescription) that is sent to them and if that does not have additional cylinders on it, then you will not get them.
As for getting oxy in Ireland, that should be easy and AL should be able to put you in touch with whoever, but you may well have to pay for it. As I understand it, apart from a couple of countries, oxy supplies are not free - be interesting if we could compile a list of countries where it is free or even what the costs are. I know that if I wanted oxy in Greece, not only would it cost, but the service might turn out to be very unreliable .... told that by the UK end of the supply chain.
Good luck and hope you get to Ireland.
Sue
p.s. when I enquired about oxy in Greece, I phoned AL and they gave me the number of another company that deals with oxy overseas .... unfortunately once I found out that the supply might be unreliable, I chucked the details away. sorry.
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Posted: 30-July-2010 at 2:17pm |
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Hi, The free style I've looked at, only went up to three litres, as I'm already on two I'm not sure if it would be suitable. I don't want to pay out and then find I need four litres. Think she did say she thought there was one that went up to six litres.
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Posted: 30-July-2010 at 3:10pm |
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Karen, I do use the cannulas properly but as I have said, I have a small nose and thats the problem. you mention long and short stem - i would love to get hold of some small stem ones so if you can give me a part number and the company who supplies them then i can get some to try. mine are soft too until i have to cut the end off to fit me. Why has no one else mentioned short stem cannula and I have spoken to loads of people including my oxygen supplier who only answers negatively any question I put to them. Karen I do get on with a concentrator but thats no good for going out, thats what the cylinders and liquid oxygen are for and now that I am on 3L oxygen I feel better so want to go out every day, on my order form was 4 cylinders and they crossed that out and put one.
Nicky I have only ever had a large stem nasal cannula and I just cant stand being uncomfortable, this oxygen is for life and we should at least be comfortable. I was told that the portable ones are 1 - 3 Litres on constant flow and 1- 6 Litres on pulse flow.
I have looked at the portable concentrators and even looked on e-bay but the market is swamped by chinese market ones which dont seem that good and the uk ones are expensive. My daughter is of the opinion as is my respiatory nurse that I should be able to get oxygen free. However I can see that it would be more convenient.
Magnolia it was my respiratory nurse who tried to get me liqiud oxygen as she said it would be lighter than the cylinders but they took a month to arrive after she ordered them for me. When I want anything i have to wait at least 3 working days and then I dont always get what is ordered and they have been told off on my behalf too.
This holiday thing, instead of passing me on to the Irish supplier AL just simply said I would have to get back to my doctor to sort it as they dont have a contract with anyone in Ireland. They didnt want to help me at all. It really does sound as if they have a problem with me and I already have enough to deal with.
I have just spoken to my gp about this and he is getting someone in the trust to do some investigating and to find out if it is a problem with me or if these guys are treating everyone like this. Thing is so many people are too ill to be bothered to complain, I am obviously not ill enough.
Also, I know that we are all lucky to be able to get oxygen like this and it is our life line, also the medication we are getting is so expensive and I do appreciate what the health service have been doing for us all. I am not a materialistic or greedy person but all I want is to be comfortable and to go on holiday. Is that too much to ask
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Posted: 30-July-2010 at 3:45pm |
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I understand what you say about the long stem canulas mine are like that and they can be uncomfortable. When I first started on oxygen they were shorter but this year they seem to have got much longer. Its probably a new cheaper contract they have got.
With all issues about oxygen if you can`t sort them out with the supplier then you should go to your GP or to the respiratory nurse at the hospital. Also I think when contacting the supplier its best to phone them up and have a word with the advisors on the phone rather than the engineer as they always seem to be far more helpful. Hope your doctor gets things sorted for you soon. |
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Posted: 30-July-2010 at 3:47pm |
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Stella i have been incontact with a friend who lives in southern ireland who is on oxygen. he said that Air products would provide you with the oxygen you need while on holiday there. this is the email he got from them today Also are your canulas curved or straight ?
Good Morning, With reference to your request for Oxygen in Ireland, unfortunately we would not be able to supply in this instance. However, Air Products, available on 0800 373 580 would be able to assist. Best Regards, Sam Sparrow Outbound Sales Air Liquide UK Tel: 0800 637 737 Option 2, Option 1Good luck. Stella i have got my part number my canula;s are ref number E1606 made by Salter Labs it is so soft. I do wish you well and hope you get sorted out. |
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Posted: 30-July-2010 at 5:23pm |
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Think we all need to all tell lot of lies then perhaps our noses will grown and the canuals will fit us all!
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Posted: 30-July-2010 at 5:30pm |
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so funny - and coming from a man whose nose is probably already big enough to fit the adult cannula's - well if its not big enough yet Jack it soon will be as with all men noses and ears just keep growing and growing and growing and growing hahaha
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Posted: 30-July-2010 at 9:45pm |
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Hi, I've had no problems with my oxygen company and they have been really good, except when a new Guy started and delivered my liquid oxygen for the first time in June. I had not had oxygen 24/7 since last October and now on oxygen 24/7 after having Bronchial Pneumonia in May 2010. He arrived and I answered the back gate in my dressing gown and oxygen on, which he could see clearly. Then he kept saying that he couldn't lift it over the lip of my shed door as he wasn't allowed to and complaining about his back. I asked how he delivered through front doors but he went 'on and on' and I interrupted him and said,' surely you have a trolley?'
He wheeled theliquid oxygen container up to the shed and again said he couldn't lift it over. I got annoyed and said 'for goodness sake, Man, just leave it there and I will lift it in myself! Then he replied,' shall we lift it together?!'
I did and went in the house immediately after, so out of breath I couldn't talk and absolutely fuming!! He asked me if I was OK?! I just couldn’t even reply to him, as so out of breath and he went away. I did complain to the oxygen company, who sent his Manager to see me. He arrived with no phone call to say he was coming out to see me but I was at a neighbours and luckily saw him at my door, about to go.I said no other delivery man had ever complained. Amazing isn’t it, what we have to put up with!
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Posted: 31-July-2010 at 11:33am |
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You really should get yourself a baseball bat so you can hit these idiots who cause you problems over the head when they call.
Make them think twice about messing you about in future!!!
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Posted: 31-July-2010 at 12:07pm |
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I was getting fed up with the nasal canula. They were very hard plastic and hurting my nose. Finally went to the chemist and they ordered nasal canula for me. Not very expensive, I think it was about 2 pounds each. So I bought some. Yes, may be silly to spend the money but at least I saved myself of stress of arguing with the company who weren't going to give me better quality canula.
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Posted: 31-July-2010 at 3:38pm |
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I didnt know you could get them over the counter. Its not the cost its the principle as there are good cannula out there but the suppliers cant be bothered to match the patient with the right equipment. But I am on the trail of getting things sorted so when i do i will post here so that everyone else can enjoy too.
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